Monday, June 9, 2014

Delete Facebook?

I found this message on Huffington Post, and the implications are creepy.


On the one hand I don't doubt what the author says, as we have already seen the government reacting to the outrageous allegations of Edward Snowden. They tell us he is a traitor, the people who spy on us, but he has blown open the lie that we are not being spied upon, both by the government and by corporations. On the other hand we, by virtue of credit cards and even simple pages like this are unable to hide. I feel as though by ignoring this message I am being excessively passive, while at the same time by deleting Facebook, a tenuous experiment in my case, I would be turning my back on the technology we have to come terms with, like it or not.

Then I read how the next version of the iPhone will allow you to store your credit card number on your phone. Jeez, there is no end to it.

I am pondering what to do, but I cannot look at my phone without imagining it to be a microphone monitoring me without my knowledge or consent. That freaks me out.

Please advise.


Anonymous said...

I will not comment on the Facebook article, but with regards to the iphone the answer is simple. There is nothing forcing you to put your card number into your phone. If it bothers you..just don't do it. Problem solved.

Conchscooter said...

The Facebook issue is much more interesting to me. I won't have Onstar in any car I own because they too can turn on the microphone in your car at will.
In point of fact a great of information is gleaned from you whether or not you consent. Ads responding to your searches pop up while surfing the web. Creepy irritating or useful?
The invasions of privacy by corporations for gain and government for monitoring are two sides of the same ill minted coin.
But there again more than half of the population thinks the first amendment "goes too far."
So we give up?
Problem solved.

Trobairitz said...

I've thought about deleting Facebook, but it is about the only way I keep in touch with my brother and family. I seem to use it for news more than nothing else.

I just remember nothing on the internet is private, not even your emails. Once we know that it is simply a matter that we don't put anything out there we wouldn't want known.

And luckily I don't own a smart phone.

Unknown said...

Mr Conchscooter:

I draw the line at Blogging. I do not have Facebook, nor Twitter nor instagram, nor all the other social sites that are popular.

I also joined Linkedin because of an invitation from a friend and even though I deleted it nearly since inception, I cannot shake them and I get their emails all the time. It cannot be deleted

I have noticed lately that most people walk facing down looking into their smart phone and texting. Same with driving. I just wished they would drive and not text

Riding the Wet Coast

RichardM said...

I think that there are quite a few reasons to not use Facebook. If you read their privacy policies you will be amazed at how much you are surrendering to them. I created an account just to claim the identity but don't use it for anything. Unlike Bobskoot, I've tried many of the services and have a Twitter account which I occasionally use but it is more of a news notification service. Sort of depends of who you follow. I used to have fun with Instagram but deleted my account when they were bought by Facebook and they dramatically changed their policies to match Facebook.

As far as smartphones, the one I would be worried about would be those that you just pick up and say "Google Now" and the Google server asks what you need. This means that the microphone is on all of the time and sound is being continually analyzed to look for the words. Whether this is being done locally or centrally, I don't know.

Anonymous said...

I long ago decided to not involve myself in social media websites.
Too many people in the US and also in Canada would like to see my head on a platter, for many reasons.
Have no love for the crooked evil politics of either contry; am unable to obtain a psssport as a result of the exchange of sensitive information between various countries post 9/11. I don't travel far, my world is unlisted in many ways and my mail is now scrambled. Too many people want to know too much about too many people so their lives can becontrolled. What's next? Chips in ourbodies as we do to our dogs and cats?

Conchscooter said...

Danette said...

It's pretty funny that the Huffpo should say that considering it's an online rag and wouldn't exist but for online users, like you and I. And I don't know if it matters anymore whether you do facebook or twitter, or LinkedIn or any of that stuff, They KNOW where we are. Target knows. Google knows. And so does the NSA. I was watching Frontline's special on Snowden and he said that part of what caused him to give the info to Glenn Greenwald was having watched ordinary citizens of countries we were not even at war with- Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia etc- and being able to see details about them as they were walking around buying groceries, just carrying on with their daily lives that none of us would be able to imagine and there had been no public debate about whether that was even the right thing to do. It wasn't legal and no one would listen when he tried to protest. Oh and there was also documentation of other govt workers within the NSA who pointed out that there were ways to spy that would not allow the govt to spy on Americans unless there was suspicious activity and then they would have to get a subpoena. They were ignored and forced out. (same show) It was good. Might still be on PBS online.

Conchscooter said...

I will check netflix. Frontline shows up there too. But you have a point. My hope is that there is so much crap on the web all they can do is use logarithms and hope for the best. We thus escape detection with a veneer of banality.

Danette said...

Oh and check out this article on the Guardian: Attempts to stay anonymous on the web will only put the NSA on your trail
Very spooky!

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Anonymous said...

Data collection is a far different beast than data analysis. I'm not too worried. Yet.